“I could never believe in the god of the Bible.”

It’s Torah Thursday, and the parsha is Mishpatim. Let’s stir it up.

This common atheist argument is self-defeating. See, to say that you could not believe in G-d because of the Bible, requires one of two premises, or both: Either G-d is the author of the text, or the Bible accurately characterizes G-d. Either way you go, the idea that you do not believe in G-d because of the Bible is to heep a lot of weight onto the Biblical literature. I say this argument is self defeating because it presupposes the existence of G-d to argue against G-d.

I want to take this slowly to make plain my objection. Anyone who doesn’t believe in G-d because of all the shitty stuff G-d seems to do, say, or endorse in the Bible must first presuppose that all that stuff accurately describes G-d. The argument needs a G-d to argue against G-d. That’s self defeating.

Now, hold up, before you think I’m trying to refute atheism to prescribe theism, let me say this: I don’t think you should believe in G-d because of the Bible either. This is more along the lines of what I’ll talk about in today’s post. My argument is that you should neither ground your atheism nor your theism in the Bible. Whichever way you fall out on the G-d thing, I say don’t form your beliefs about G-d by appeal to the text. If you believe in G-d, awesome; if you don’t, awesome. Let a thousand flowers bloom.

Rather than appeal to the Bible, I’d say base beliefs about G-d in philosophical argumentation, or in the beauty of nature, or in kids’ eyes, or in the restructuring of systems of power to amplify the voices and needs of those historically marginalized and oppressed. I find G-d in the courage to face one’s own mortality or the strength to join a struggle for collective liberation. If G-d is anywhere, G-d surely is there.

If pressed, I’d describe myself as a sort of non-theist. “Don’t you mean agnostic?” Not exactly. An agnostic is someone who suspends belief about G-d. “Maybe there’s a G-d, maybe not, I choose to suspend judgment,” seems to be a fair enough charecterization of an agnostic position. This doesn’t quite fit me. I’d say that a theist is someone who make a claim that G-d exists. An atheist makes a claim that G-d does not exist. An agnostic says maybe G-d exists. As for me, my interest is in the text and the development of rites, rituals, and cultural norms that developed historically alongside the text during its thousand-year period of authorship, editing, redaction, omission, oral history, canonization, and interpretation. I could learn decisive evidence of G-d’s existence/inexistence today, and that knowledge would not alter much about my love of the literature and the study of its development.

That’s what I mean by non-theism. It’s not agnosticism; rather, it’s an approach to the ancient literature that centers the text and its people. “Weren’t the people talking to/with/about G-d? in the text?” Sure, that’s right, but things aren’t so easy. In the Bible we get two creation accounts of Genesis featuring very different characterizations of G-d. The pre-priestly anthropomorphic G-d who pulls up to the garden party to check on Adam and Eve. But before that, there’s the transcendent ruler of the universe G-d who orders the cosmos. Later, the Deuteronomistic G-d of retributive justice, and the Second Temple period G-d of the apocalyptic literature that developed ideas of a divinized messiah and an emphasis on the eschaton, or the end times, drawing from Hellenistic thought.

The Bible, a library of human authored source documents that were shaped by collision with other cultic and cultural traditions in ancient southwest Asia, and later, Roman occupied Judea and Samaria, does not deliver a single portrait of the Holy One, and so, when people complain about the G-d of the Bible, we must ask, to which characterization of G-d is one referring? I push the question upstream and ask, which authorial source are we reading, and how does that source typically portray the Holy One and why? We’ve been getting into this with the Exodus narrative, the P source that gave double portions of manna to respect the sabbath, or the E source that favors Moses as G-‘d’s favored prophet, possibly a northern kingdom framing against the Aaronid priesthood of the south in the J source–not all scholars get on with those particular details of the distinct JEDP sources, but let’s have that one out over coffee.

By centering the source critical approach we also shift our interest, not in a defense of the shitty things G-d seems to be up to in the text, and, of course, we also find compassionate and loving characterizations as well, but shifting to a source critical approach is the non-theist way. I can set my ideas about the Holy One aside and focus on the text and its many authors.

This week’s parsha gets pretty quickly into rules to govern the treatment of enslaved people. See, if we associate G-d with the text, we’ve laid enslavement at G-d’s feet, but if we prioritize communities of authorship, we can engage in discussion with our ancestors. My judaism is accountable to my ancestors and holds my ancestors to account, so when we read in Mishpatim rules for enslaved persons or verses that remind us women were treated as property, we can be reminded that our ancestors were in cultural settings far different from our own. What does justice demand of us? A project of truth telling about our ancestors and a commitment now to be better. And isn’t that what the Torah is? A frame for moral discourse?

The beauty of the text for me is the possibility to join the conversation and to know we’re called to ideals that often we fail to meet. I don’t fear divine retribution because I believe in people, and “we can get better cause we’re not dead yet.” That’s got a high holidays ring to it, doesn’t it? Man, I may be headed to Sheol or I may be headed to hang with HaShem, and if it’s the latter, I don’t think they’ll be mad that I spent more time believing in people than believing in them.


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8 responses to “Believe in People”

  1. Unsurprisngly, there is no justice in your cult, with your god killing people for things they didn’t do. 

    and no dear, to argue against your imaginary friend doesn’t mean we belive it is real. I can also argue against Vishnu, Allah, etc. 

    It’s nothing new to see a theist try to say don’t look at the ignorant failed bible/torah to try to get away from their ignorant petty god. 

    and if you don’t believe in your god, why bother with the nonsense of spelling it “G-D” which is an assumption that it exists. So much for being a “non-theist”. YOu seem to want to eat your cake and have it too.

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    1. Hey, I really appreciate the comment and good challenges! Thanks for reading and thanks for the comment. I think you and I are not that far apart. All I’m saying about god is that I think conversations about god should be kept far apart from conversations about the Bible. God exists or god doesn’t exist, either way, I’m interested in the composition of the text and what we should do with all the atrocities that the biblical authors endorsed. Reparatory justice demands that we hold our ancestors to account and do better. I’m in support of reparations for Americans of African descent for this same reason: holding Americans of European descent (like me) to account. Those are the types of conversations we could be having about he biblical literature when we stop making it a conversation about god and make it a conversation about the people who wrote the text. This is why I called myself a non-theist, whether there’s a god or not has no bearing on my interest in the Bible.

      I hear you on the spelling it god or G-d thing, for me it’s a sign of respect for other people who do treat the name with reverence. I think respecting other people is the core of humanism, and if that is someone’s preference, I want to respect that. It costs me nothing to include a hyphen, but it could be the difference maker for someone else reading my writing. I’d rather put my ideas in the world in a respectful and accessible manner than quibble about the spelling of the divine name. Thanks for letting me articulate that. It’s very helpful.

      It’s Friday as I’m writing this reply, so I hope you have an awesome weekend. Cheers!
      -a.

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      1. Many theists want to ignore the bible or whatever their particular holy book is since all of them are inconvenient when it come to showing a benevolent god or a god that exists at all.

        What we should do with the ignorant stories in the bible? Throw them out and ditch the entire thing as anything but a record of how ignorant humans were in the past.

        Not all theists use the silly “g-d” thing, so I find your claim of respecting people by using it to fail. Respecting harmful nonsense is pointless and indeed harmful in itself.

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      2. Thanks for continuing the dialogue. I agree with you 100% that many theists want to ignore the problematic material of the biblical literature. And I think what’s even worse than that is to engage in mental gymnastics to try and explain away the problematic material. It’s there, it must be addressed. Its a real disservice to pretend that the there isn’t tons of really problematic things throughout the text. Lots of toxic and bad stuff in the Bible.

        I also think it’s a real stretch to conceive of a benevolent creator. Again, that is something many theists want to claim, and that is not supported by the text. In fact, there is no single characterization of god in the text. There are multiple characterizations, and many are ripped off from other characterizations of other gods from other groups. For example, the use of “El” in the Hebrew Bible appropriates El, the head of the Canaanite pantheon of gods, and takes it for itself in the Hebrew Bible. A lot religious folks, especially Christian apologists, want to read their theology into the text and impose it onto the Bible. This is wrong to do, but it’s very common. The Bible is a collection of human authored source documents collected, edited, and redacted over a period of 1,000 years, and any definition of the Bible that doesn’t acknowledge this historical development must be rejected or revised.

        Yeah, so what to do with the problematic material. Just like the terrible history of, say, America, I think the way forward is to study it, learn from it, own it as being part of the tradition of the authors. Asking how the (non-factual, mythologized) story of the Exodus celebrates liberation while the people in that story were enslavers helps us into a conversation about, say, the Declaration of Independence that was written for all men to be equal while those signers were enslavers. What do we do with that? Certainly not ignore it. This is my general point. Get god out of our discussions of the bible because it’s a distraction to text analysis, and learn from the human history of its development.

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      3. Yep, a benevolent god or creator seems rather silly. You might like a book written by a friend of mine, The owner of all infernal names” which postulates a malicious god, and goes through how the actions of the bible god are just as attributable to a evil god as to a good one.
        Since there is no good material in the bible, again, I find that it should be simply tossed completely, or as you say, used as a historical artifact.

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  2. I guess what troubles me is trying to make sense of what conservative readers of the bible think. I agree as atheists/non-theists we can still get a lot out of these stories, but that doesn’t stop my mind from asking how religious fundamentalists could both take the bible as true, while also upholding God as morally perfect.

    A related question, I suppose, is where does the Abrahamic concept of God truly come from. If the God of the bible does not embody perfection, than how to believers both claim to believe in a perfect God, while also insisting the bible is the prime account of God’s message. When I watch atheist v theist debates, what frustrates me is that the theists often make a general argument for why a creator exists. Rarely do they explain the logical leap from belief in a creator to belief in a specific account of the creator’s world system.

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    1. I love these thoughts! Thanks so much for leaving this comment. Yeah, the fundamentalist reading is so frustrating. Sucks all nuance out of the conversation and sidesteps the issues by appealing to divine authority. You’re also so right on about the leap from the existence of a creator to the so-called “Biblical worldview,” which is a logical impossibility because there is not a single perspective in the bible. There are many, many perspectives! The likely origin for the Abrahamic God is from appropriating the gods of other ancient southwest semitic peoples. There is evidence to suggest that the god of Israel was written to appropriate many features of the Canaanite god, Baal. Super fascinating stuff in the development of abrahamic religions. I’m with you, I have no idea how to counter the fundamentalist reading. I’ve been trying my best on TikTok with very limited success.

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  3. […] God from the framework of the Bible is characteristic of my position. I raised similar points in my commentary about the Parsha […]

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